45 & 9mm do not get past the fat layer to break bones and damage vital organs. He saved them both, barely, with his .338 rifle. During the same period, persons defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries. Outdoors. Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. The female mountain lion in a chilling faceoff with a solo trail runner in Utah wasn't trying to kill him. We killed about 5 hogs every week he shot them with 22 never saw any that didnt fall over dead. Good luck It is not as if that information is widely out there ..This is part of a Strategy. What would be the minimum barrel length for any bear spanker? Supposedly it will go through armor vests, 1.5 inches of steel, etc. DRT. Jul 30, 2019. I do reload them hot. I carry a 10 round 9mm when bow and black powder hunting in Black Bear country. The lion can then be shot and removed, or tranquilized and transplanted at least 300 miles (480 km) away. I sure wanted to sit and talk to him about all the storys they brought back. You cant load the right ammo for bear defense, but its better than a sharp stick. Understanding that a grizz is top oh the list for a bad and aggressive attitude, a grizz cant kill you more then any other bear could. False economy at that point. Suddenly everyone was yelling at Paul not to move and the somewhat lethargic lion placed his jaw on the boys head and put its paw on him. Which one are you going to use first? Penetration is what is needed, no hollow points. You arent arent going to get to reload and the targets are moving really fast. the vast majority of industry gun writers are basically shilling new gear and tend to exist in a repetitive echo chamber with little or no practical experience. I wonder how much penetration that will make on a bears skull? Go to any gunshop youll find plenty of all those calibers for sale, used with very low round counts, wonder why? Lets get my own choices out of the way first. I believe that folks who do their own reloading can increase the powder and velocity of this caliber, but I am reluctant to try the beefed up bullets in a Scandium or polymer framed weapon. When I asked him for his insight, he was kind enough to respond in detail. I still carry that early 41 mag in bear country but just recently bought an early M-58 and am going to carry it as it is easier to draw with no adj sights. Magnum revolver for not only armed defense against both two and four legged Almost all .460s are semi-autos. Into a wheel gun ! BTW the 2nd encounter was by a friend who was carrying that old M572 shots on a wounded grizzly same load did him in. This is why I prefer my .460 Roland it has compensator for better follow on second shot. Let's dive right in. The police standard is not to let a person get closer than 21 feet with a weapon like a knife, club etc with out being engaged. Rifle first if at all possible. In my tests with 300 gr. Keith and 300 gr. A single bite around the throat from a mountain lion can be fatal to prey . For those worried/concerned about the weight of their weapon, I can say this, at my first close encounter along Frazier Lake, I couldnt have told you if my rifle weighed an ounce or 20 lbs! When I head afield, I nearly always carry one form of sidearm or another, and while the truly dangerous encounters are definitely a rarity, I feel better knowing I can protect my loved ones and coworkers should the event unfold. Now, my colleague and fellow Alaskan Phil Shoemaker has effectively defended himself with a 9mm against a charging brown bear, but I prefer to carry a .45 ACP with me as my round. Bears cannot see as well as they can hear and smell. . They dont respond the same way as healthy animals. I hope those guides told you that if you fire a round, bears start coming from all directions to eat the free gut pile. What can a .38 special kill? State officials have issued a permit allowing a rancher to kill P-45, a mountain lion believed to be responsible for the recent killings of livestock near Malibu, Calif. (National Park Service via AP) As an Army veteran, I had no problem with my shot placement just my faith in loads. RIP ammo is fine against flesh, as in human flesh. May 23, 2022 / by / in . Between 3- and 3.5-inch-wide tracks. Shoot, shovel, and shut up. Black bears and mountain lions can be killed if they cause death or injury to other people. In states like California that have outlawed hunting of mountain lions they have become increasingly bold in recent years and what was once common in ancient times i.e. Teardrop-shaped toes. A .38 snubby? The only explanation that I can think of is that it was pumped full of adrenaline. An interesting piece giving advice from expert typewriter shooters to bear hunters. His dad stopped a charging brown with a .500 S&W pistol a few years ago. Ammunition To Go : 50rds - 38 Special Federal LE 158gr. That winter, I shot a buffalo @ 50 yards with 300 grain federal cast core in a ruger .44 carbine. Certainly, they have before. Live in Alaska. 10 mm HAH why not hit the Bear with your Purse? 66% of kills among collared mountain lions were mule deer. These were not accidental sow with cubs, surprised a bear in a dumpster, etc. Bye the way thats 6 rounds of death spitting out of the end of that gun ! I would rather lug a 12 gauge or Marlin guide gun in 45/70 for bear protection. I finally settled on attempting to use Hodgden Universal powder for the first go, since it shows the potential to give good velocity with the lighter 170-grain bullets. I call BS. Thanks! But I enjoy listening to people who think they know everything prove they dont. Mountain lions can kill adult humans along with large mammals. bullets would probably only allow one shot, one handed. You dont need a laboratory test to confirm that it was behaving strangely. While out horseback riding, I cant tell you how many rattlers Ive killed rattlers with my 9mm. I see a lot of Blackhawk advocates. So if its a two shot scenario with a revolver, I can place 4 AIMED shots with my 10mm in the same amount of time. One lion can consume up to 20 or 30 pounds of meat in a single meal. He didnt know what kind of weapon was used. Penetration tests have shown that load to penetrate almost exactly the same distance as a standard hardcast 44 Magnum load. you rig will protect you. He said 45 colt loaded with a 300 grain plus hard cast bullet. The bear was hurt so it couldnt run thank God abd CVA. 2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included. Ive hunted brown bear three times with a hand gun only. As to the power of black bears, I shot a big boar with a 240 grain CVA slug at about 60 yards. The study found that adult male lions were more likely to kill less but bigger prey than females. For the outdoors person a revolver can likewise Lesson learned never keep food for bears in your camp site. Eventually, Ill get around to getting a .460 Rowland kit and chest holster for my 1911 and start taking that instead. I asked what type of Rifle he carried. They called me to come over and look at the tracks. With 158-grain bullets moving at nearly 800 fps, this probably represents along with the 9mm Luger the lower end of the spectrum, as far as a defensive bear gun goes. Little meat damage and with a WC or Semi WC will certainly do the job. 7.62 mm (.32 cal) out of a necked-down 9mm case. I do not shoot rabid animals in the head for fear of spreading the rabies virus from the brain, I do not know if this is true or not but thats what Ive been told. The animal became a little wobbly and went to a tree then moved toward Paul again and it was shot a second time. For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. I want POWER ! If I know ahead of time that Im heading into black bear country, I like to carry my big handgun: a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. You could see he was definitely sizing [P.J] up, Smith said. I dont recall if it ran on Discovery, National Geographic or The History Channel. (altho I make and sell them) I want straight line complete penetration best offered by a hard LBT. rather hungry bears stalking, attacking, and then attempting to eat human beings. is excellent. delivered him from a mortal fate. James A. Companions showed up shooting to save the day. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. Lightweight and well-balanced, I had a chance to spend a bit of time with this wheelgun at the SHOT Show in Las Vegas. Especially when you carry an extra mag. Last I heard the Judge and Governor are chambered in .45 Colt and shoot the exact same rounds as your Redhawk does. Remember you can be turned into bear shit with in two days if you are wrong! In ordinary life, people are much more likely to be attacked by another person, than by a mountain lion. The SW 460 mag xvr is the best choice in my opinion. into the Grizzly point blank range killing it. # 3. Funny how there is no mention of bear spray in all of this as it has to be the first option compared to killing and animal in whose domain you have wandered. It can push a 400-grain bullet to more than 1,500 fps, but I cant control it. Winchester lists their .410 GA slugs as 1800 feet per second. landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. Told me to that towards evening they made Camp during Daylight Hours. The lion ignored the adults in the group and went right for the children. I doubt that I have walked past a moose without noticing. Absolutely. I have a CZ52 that shoots the old PPsH Tokarev LMG round. Its light and easy to carry.. They understood the dangers. They have been conditioned to hear a gun and equate it to a free meal. 8. However, the realization that you might have to use one to defend against a couple-hundred pounds of teeth and fangs doesnt exactly make one feel like Zorro; in fact, I looked down at it and said to myself:This is gonna hurt. If I gotta shoot something that wants to eat me ! There are too many stories of people getting mauled by bears that charged right through their attempt to spray it, and they could never get to their gun in time once the bear hit. 9mm is acceptable against two legged foes, but with an angry mountain lion you want something with some real punch to it. The S&W Govnor and the Taurus Judge are not what you would want in bear country. Really. Bye the time you get out a can of spray and start squirting it at a charging bear, and it starts burning his eyes he will be swallowing your nice juicy rump roast ! Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. Government paid hunters were also paid to do the same. 3. is probably better than nothing but foolhardy in my opinion. coyote-wolf hybrids A 10-year-old boy was killed by a mountain lion while hiking near Grand Lake in 1997, and an adult runner was killed in Idaho Springs in 1991. He ran to get the gun, and when the animal started to investigate whether P.J.s head was bite-sized, Smith told him to shoot the animal, which he did with one extremely well-placed shot. counter-shrunk chambers, and original factory Goncalo Alves target grips. Curiosity got the better of them, and they managed to discharge the canisters in their hotel room that night. The Hodgden #25 manual does show loads for a 200-grain bullet using HS6, Trap100 and HP38 powders. All cats are rats. and driving a rig your not in the Alaskan brush. The cougar was probably at the end of the rage stage, where attacks on almost anything are common. Ive chronoed this load at 1325fps, its kickass on Elk. The Hornady Critical Defense .410 loads (slug + 2x .35 cal balls) are rated at 750 feet per second. Last time I was buying bulk ammo in 5.56 mm NATO, 9 mm, .40 Smith, .44 Mag and The short barrel clears the holster fast and the Ruger frame is tougher than the S&W. do revolvers. Despite the firepower, these guys all tried to avoid brown bear encounters. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. Personally, I do my best to avoid any encounter that could turn ugly, but thats not always the case. Of course the welfare of humans (the public) must always come last. that will allow the bullets to be seated and crimped .100 further out than factory specs. Lighter, cheaper, and much better statistics than any conceivable 38spl load. , .357 mag. One thing that does not get mentioned much is that Y pattern that a charging bears head presents makes for a difficult target to hit. 11-02-2012, 5:06 PM. The first dozen rounds I shot were without gloves and I got a severe cut on my support hand thumb! Hopefully, this link will work. I was able to aim and take the shot; it tore me up having to kill that nuisance bear that should have been relocated. Ill take the capacity of an auto loader in 45 Super, 10mm or Rowland any day. I have skinned three browns, two grizzlies and more black bears than I care to remember. That is your choice. This is no problem as we are talking about a custom pistol anyway. Who knows? I would rather have a .44 mag with a 6 barrel or the 454 Casull but it was a practical upgrade and is light enough with 5 rounds to carry on long hikes. I am playing with a m69 Smith and Wesson 44 mag. and I usually see a grizzly when I hunt almost within sight of Cody Wy. Listed were all the big names but one very powerful handgun was not mentioned. Reply. This may not have been a great time for firearm but it begs the questions: (1) What's a good caliber to stop a cat at 3 - 20 yds, and (2) what kind of round (solid, hollow point)? Mountain lions, also known as pumas or cougars, interact with hundreds of species and play a direct role in balancing various habitats across the state and other parts of the U.S. 9 shot can shred the head of a rattlesnake up close. I got a buddy who is a duputy with Harris County (Tx) Sherrifs office. Join half a million readers enjoying Newsweek's free newsletters. Rocky the dog was left with a hole in his head that went "down to his brain" after he bravely defended his . The author is right in the close terrain on of the Bitterroors, youre only going to get two shots off and the second one will be point blank. and females' territories can range up to 60 square miles. Something I doubt the 500 or 460 blunderbuss allows. How many miles can a mountain lion travel? You'd be much, much better off with bear spray. We now have on earth more humans than were ever born since the beginning of mans evolution and with the masses of excess pollution we have already destroyed the planet we are living on. Of course you can imagine the hysterical reactions that suggestion creates.. Colorado Springs, Colo. The craggy mesas and sagebrush valleys of the West have a wild horse problem. LAR Grizzly 45 Win Mag. Hunting and slaughtering are hardly a comparison. He said not really. It is same size as glock 21 (45 acp) so you can practice with the 45 for a lot cheaper. The black bears have been stopped with pistols, rifles, shotguns and once with an ax. Sources Si saw a black bear last year, and got lost running away from it. Personally, I'd feel the best with a .44 mag, .45LC, or 45-70 in a Marlin carbine. The species are abundant in the state, numbering around 4,000 to 6,000 estimated creatures. If you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for 400+ pound bears, wild boars, and feral hogs, you are carrying way too much gun for coyotes and small mountain lions. . I am a handgun hunter who lives in Wyoming and hunts the Beartooth. Worse is the comment on using a .38 Spl in bear country is better then no gun: BS, if your not prepared, dont go! A Sacramento Bee investigation revealed in 2017 that thanks to that language, Californians have killed far more mountain lions since Proposition 117 passed then they did before.. Grizzlies make mock charges; black bear do not or thats what the experts say. A man accused of taking part in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot is now facing house arrest for killing a mountain lion in Colorado - with a gun he wasn't supposed to have.. Patrick Montgomery was . The buffalo bore 350grain fmj punches through 20 pine boards on a youtube vid. Being aware that sounds and smell plays a role in a bears survival by detecting prey, keep food or harvested deer meat or other game tightly contained as it would be analogous to swimming in blood filled water with man-eating sharks. He killed the first recorded Texas alligator attack on a man on land EVER! Further.. having been in life threatening situations .. having a myriad of tools to choose from.. Is just not always a benefit. However, I can get 2 aimed shots with my hot 10mm for every one with any big bore revolver Ive ever shot. Put up the fishing gear and settled in for the night. Published on February 15, 2019 02:47 PM. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. feral hogs At night you may wish a good shotgun and buck shot. Sounds like you have everything covered. Now before we take a look at particular models and calibers, lets get one basic premise out of the way: when the excrement hits the oscillator, any gun is better than no gun. I agree, whatever you have at the moment, is the best choice. can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. The Inuit hunters would wait at a breathing hole in the ice. When a bear is facing you even if you penetrate the meat and skull, the skull is angled flat so the bullet would probably ricochet rather than penetrate. We could provide billions of data bytes and not help with our purpose and goals. HP ammo may be great for two legged predators, not so much for those with fourand large teeth! I also have a small Freedom Arms in .500 Wyoming Express. Just stay away from me because you are just asking for trouble. bird watching, hiking, backpacking, and enjoying nature. My hunting partner puts his faith in the Colt .45, and it will get the job done. The free enterprise system in Africa works for big game, and for the villagers. Something else. would have killed him by a horrible mauling! He lives every day with brown bears and has guided to dozens if not hundreds of them. sounds like you have too many guns and cant decide on which one to take. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. get of his ass and go out in the woods with his 38. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. 44 mag power in a high cap auto loader. The .45 Colt makes a formidable handgun cartridge, especially in a pistol as strong as the Blackhawk, where the pressures and velocities can be ramped up a bit. Remember one thing in Bear country. Your 9mm, .38 spl. My other handgun, my day-to-day gun, is a well-worn Smith & Wesson Model 36, in .38 Special. The Mountain Lion will return to feed on the prey for up to 10 days. The young boy said he could not feel the teeth because they were dull, but Paul did feel the scratches from the big paw. In my penetration testing I also included a 30 Tokarev as from my experiences in Vietnam I knew they were great penetrators. I wasnt sure if the .357 was really optimal for bear spanking as my father, a hunter and 23 year US Army Combat Veteran would say and couldnt bring myself to splurge on either 10mm or something in the .44 magnum ranges. Also, for killing venomous snakes. Seeing the bull moose charging froze me. While mountain lion attacks are rare, it is because mountain lions are not common, and interactions between mountain lions and humans are uncommon. This was a glaring example of surprise; this area, while remote, rugged and wooded, wasnt known for its bear population, very few had ever been seen there, but that one bear had my employees undivided attention. while you are on the road system you are in cell phone communications 90% of the time. 50 round box should last a lifetime. People started carrying bear spray in that area. Mountain lions are apex predators with the ability to kill elk, mule deer, and coyotes with ease - but they aren't usually aggressive toward hikers and their dogs. A good .357 Magnum and I really like the Kimber K6s will definitely come in handy. I can say the 41 is probably my minimum for the big bears. If you get to take a shot while standing, you should be making an effort to evade an attack while at the ready. A bear will cover 50 yards in less than 2 seconds in a charge. Although, for me, the closest I want to get to a rattler is a 44 mag snake load, preferably my Judge in .410 7 shot. It is all filled with a bias against firearms.. My Glock 10 mm w/ 15 + 1,in Federal, Curious if anyone has evaluated any of the older Cold War Warsaw Pact pistols. against a pack of feral dogs a .38 Special is highly effective and lethal. If you carry anything less than a S&W 500 Magnum 4 inch for self protection in this state while in the outdoors you are playing with fire. I am 80 years old remember my dad had a meat market . the sidearm nicely supplements the rifle, as a companion piece. Long story short, Phil was forced to put the grizzly down. If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. The recoil is quite severe for all of these loads and I cant imagine wanting or needing to go to the 460 Rowland! A revolver is a one threat gun so unless you are Jerry Miculek you will run out of ammo with a revolver. They have been most noted in the mountains of California but had, at one time, been found across North and South America. My handloads push a 300-grain hard-cast bullet to 1,614 fps. I carried a 454 casull in Alaska heavy l now carry a glock 20 10mm 15 rounds even if I dont stop the bear shooting all the way to the end just makes me fell better. It did not take long to realize that the recoil of the .475 with 425gr. This is largely down to a lack of resources in their own habitats. It is illegal to injure or kill them. Take it from someone who has been nose to nose with many big bears by accident if youre going into bear country willingly take as big a double action revolver as you can keep all rounds in the target black. Local dog hunters said lion are easy to kill and they use a 22lr pistol. If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. I called out local F&G agent. You can also use a hunting rifle or pistol to fire at the lion if it makes a charge at you. That was my initial question as well. You are on the Alaskan highways lets get that straight. coastal on the Alaska peninsula quartering away with a .338 Win mag. God Bless old Friend. SCCY DVG-1 Review. in he he stated that no matter how big of a rifle one has in their hands, when facing something that is fully willing and capable of stomping you into a frothy little puddle of blood and hair, no matter what youve got, its still going to feel like a willow switch. Those pesky day to day perils of life keep getting in the way. Are they prudent, not for me. Lions or parts cannot be taken out of Colorado unless inspected and sealed. black bears With speed loaders in the hands of a competent shooter, the revolver can be reloaded almost as quickly as a pistol. Hell I wish someone would make a wheel gun for the 416 rem mag. If we didnt carry our primary hunting rifle, we carried a shotgun. Why dont you go out in the woods and try out some of your hollowpoints . 357. Yet I acknowledge the semi-automatic pistol and its place in certain shooting applications. After I put it down with my .357 magnum, we found both 9mm rounds stuck in the skull. would have been just as well dead anyway. Folks need to realize that most .45 Colt cases are not strong enough to handle those high pressure loads even if the gun could. The mountain lion also occasionally preys on domestic livestock and pets. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. Before any bear country hunt I practice with it a lot. I bought Bear Loads in .45 LC and .357 MAG, but they were both hollow points (300 & 180 grains, respectively). Park staff monitor the population through satellite GPS collars, remote cameras and . No semi-auto makes the grade except perhaps the .50 AE, but most ammo for that fails due to bullets. First round 00 buckshot then slugs. Its also probably a one or two shot deal, so firepower is irrelevant. Next post: AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, Previous post: Waterfowl Artillery: CZ Swamp Magnum, Your email address will not be published. Another survivalist carried a lever action .357 MAG rifle. A black bear sow protecting a cub from your invasion of their space will have her way with you till she decides shes done. They are beautiful animals I love seeing in the wild, but from a very safe distance, downwind of the bear. A Smith & Wesson Model 29, in .44 Remington Magnum completely in the vein of Dirty Harry still makes an excellent choice for the bear woods. having confidence in your weapon. With a double-action police type service revolver I can unload all six spent shell casings into the palm of my hand and thus He said while the animal tried to bite Pauls head, it didnt actually do it, only slightly clawing the boys back. 10 mm. If one only goes out when and where a mild breeze at most is at their back on a sunny day.. Well you get my drift. Handloaded in a Blackhawk as described in my earlier post, the .45 outdoes the .44 mag. By the time I am loaded with bow, backpack, and tree stand, I am at 50 plus pounds and I am 50+. My choice is the 500 S&W. Thats a lot of lead and a lot of head ( aka, big meplat). CCIs classic .38 Special shot or snake Owing to circumstances at their place, I wasnt able to go. If not, always nice to have to many guns.. After wearing out a few S&W frames in 44mag, I switched to the short barreled Ruger Alaskan in 44mag. A mountain lion has slaughtered 27 lambs on a farm in Northern California but did not eat a single one. fresh kill 1994 watch online. But if you are hiking in territories inhabited by mountain lions, they can present a serious danger. The 357 mag is much better then the 40S&W as well. The 4-3-1 rule is a good rule of thumb, however, I agree with the comments about a 10mm. Of the pistols that you listed carry the one you shoot best. Most of the time if all you are trying to do is keep the bears from attacking you, wear bells on your clothing as the old timers did. i think a .38 would tickle the bear more than anything. And maybe just maybe you walk away on the top side of the ground. Oaf, that was funny! I would recomend holding off until the bear is so close that he would be hard to miss and then not shooting any higher than nostril level. Numerous attacks this summer, to include at least two confirmed deaths. I prefer to carry a .460 Roland built on .45 Colt ACP 1911 chassis. Think youre gonna penetrate his skull with your pea shooter? As far as I am concerned the best handgun for a person is one they are familiar and competent with. At least .40 caliber, 300 grains and 1,000 fps. Light to carry, manageable recoil, do a quick reload of 125jhp and your good for CCW. With the right bullet most large caliber handguns will end the confrontation in your favor if done this way. And ditto even for herbivorous who often destroy and damage crops. I have three loads that I shot, 200 gr. Then when we were at Cabelas, I compared the photo on my phone to all the cougar mounts and none came anywhere close. Conflicts between mountain lions and humans have become more common in recent years due to habitat degradation and increasing populations. Between airlines, public transportation, hotels, ferryboats, etc. By Anders Anglesey On 11/3/21 at 11:39 AM EDT. The 357-magnum case is just a bigger capacity shell able to provide much better performance. Though perhaps semi-obsolete, if not obsolete for law enforcement ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Fly fishing in AK, and knocking around the woods I often carry a stainless charter target bulldog in 44 special. Some dogs work together well enough to make a cat figure it's best to run but rarely will a pack of dogs be able to kill a cougar. Its a simple concept. 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