https://www.watermark.org/about/governance. Did You Know This Church Is Closely Aligned with 9 Marx (sic) Spiritual authority influences others toward Gods purposes. When this article was written, Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. John Doe's attorney says his client is now considering a civil lawsuit against the church for slander. If you are going to judge Watermark, its leaders and programs, then I would encourage you to do so in the context of Scripture, especially the New Testament, including the gospels and the epistles that talk about church order, and yes, even discipline. Once you see it, you cant unsee it. It is Lord that gives and takes it away. If I had to guess the Sr Pastor Todd agreed to leave if the concerned pastor Steve agreed to resign. People are insecure, confused, listen to gossip,Read more . Both Wagner and Leventhal will remain at Watermark as elders emeritus. Ive never heard of nor attended a church with such a position. The Porch. Definitely they are important to Christian theology, but they fall within a spectrum of orthodox third-rank doctrines. Watermark Church does not believe that single ladies & gentlemen should be in coed community groups. Paul, thanks for the response. . Also, please note, you are free to leave Watermark Church at any time. I would be ok disclosing financial information to my community group. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Set up and configure your eSignature workflows the way you want them. Thanks to you for writing and Susan for sharing. Todd portrays it all as a divine God told me sort of thing. Hes not the pastor of Watermark. I am a CFP and I dont see how the gift tax is relevant in this instance. Theres no independent authority (like a congregational vote or a higher denominational officer) that can remove an elder in this government structure. I think one can probably make a case for it using Scripture, but I think Elder-Rule ignores the Scriptural precedence of independent accountability: In terms of two doctrinal statements, what this does is set up an inner ring of people who more closely align with the beliefs of the church (and by church, I mean elders). He first goes into the definition of the word cult which in latin is the word cultus, defined as to inhabit, dwell; to cultivate. Psychological warfare Is a good name for it. There are people who are genuinely afraid to withdraw their membership for fear of being put under church discipline, pressure from the community group to conform, and outright harassment. Just study what a grandiose narcissist is and you will see why. Before you Sign. Did he stay and open his churches to the people that were cold and hungry? First and foremost- this is a season that God is shaking things up. I wonder what is considered a lavish lifestyle. obey your leaders? He can be only the center ofRead more . Community groups are the epicenter of Watermark Church. Just the congregationhmmmmmm.. Considering thatRead more , Dave It is disingenuous to minimize someone elses experience just because you did not witness it yourself. I am 63. No one is perfect including Todd.. he is not God. I came to watermark on a visit with my sons family. Wow. Watermark Community church says it relies on this New Testament passage to justify its policy of disciplining members: "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. Our online editing platform simplifies the process for any action you may want to do with Church Membership. You are way off base. even if 100% true (zero exaggeration or embroidery), it almost makes it sound like Todd was an unwitting victim of disproportionate generosity and was utterly helpless. Elder-Rule governance removes any hope of independent accountability the elders are originally self-appointed and thereafter elder-appointed. In my opinion, its best to have the teaching statement serve as the unifying statement that covers both members and elders, so that those who attend and who are working through their beliefs dont prematurely sign a membership covenant that in reality places them under the pastoral authority of elders who adhere to the teaching statement. Also I probably would be off my depression meds. Usually blood in the water attracts sharks, but nothing that fierce here, just a bunch of blood sucking remoras. Thats why people leave churches snd are constantly hurt. I went back several times others preached but werent as good holding an audiences attention as Todd Wagner and the full content with historical and life referces and quoting scripture just wasnt there like Todd Wagner.. then they said Watermark Plano was becoming its own church. Ive said my bit, not interested in burning much more time, unless you or anyone wants to leave a number to meet to discuss Jesus, WM or Todd. Theyre all using so much jargon that its hard to figure out what any of it actually means. Fournet is now listed as an elder emeritus, but Bucheck no longer appears on Watermarks leadership page. And some community groups are less intense. Some titles of articles written about Watermark Church. (How many of you have actually prayed for Todd)? Thats for God to reveal or conceal. He added that there are just too many layers and that even Friedrich and Thompson land at a different place than (Leventhal and Wagner) regarding why weve arrived here., Both Wagner and Leventhal will remain at Watermark as elders emeritus, though the church said it is proactively pursuing men to add to the Elder team., According to the church website, Wagner and Leventhal will spend time with their families preparing for whatever the Lord has next.. Yet it turns out they are getting people toRead more , Hi to all, Ive been a member of Watermark for over three years, went through Re:Generation and now co-lead a community group. Since November, it appears two other Watermark elders have left the original board of six menBrian Buchek and Beaut Fournet. insincere; smooth-tongued, slick; greasy, oily, saccharine; Childcare was free. She has never seriously considered getting involved with the church beyond that, but has expressed to me that it is quite difficult to actually get connected at Watermark Church because everything is centered around MEMBERSHIP and COMMUNITY GROUPS and you cant have one without the other. I have edited some of her answers for content and length. If you dont want to share about your finances you dont have to. Seems there are some Watermark menbers The preacher they were to install couldnt preach well. Better to have one doctrinal statement that unites both members and elders in my opinion. In layman's terms, that means all decisions concerning the governance of the church are made by the elders, not by the members. I really enjoyed the music and people. Having been a Watermark (now CityBridge) member since 2016 have never EVER heard these messages thatSusan speaks of. You guys can rip apart our church and Todd all you want, but I know him, and you wont find a man with more of a heart of gold than him. Appreciate your response! 2 doctrinal statements create confusion over authentic belonging. Could just be their abilities to appear a certain way up in front of a crowd. That is only for the married folk. I think you may have missed a decimal point according to the link in the post his house (verified to be the correct Todd Wagner) was a little over $1.5 million as of 2019. Thats the problem often times one comes on a hot seat and forgets one day would come that same thing that man have to face. The elders at Watermark, along with Wagner and Leventhal, announced the resignations at services yesterday. Im Jesus name. The building was used for free to us (but not them). . If you dont fill out the form you can leave easy if your just quiet. If you call Christ a savior then learn to make Him Staff. What do you mean exactly by re-victimization. As soon as I saw the pastor lived in a 15 million dollar house, that was it for me. Theres a lot of talk and a lot of Christianese language, but its still impossible to say exactly what happened or exactly what is and was going on. The Yelp algorithm is strange. A calendar of future events, classes, Bible studies, and programs happening with Watermark Community Church. a smarmy, unctuous reply. no one was threatening him he deliberately chose to live as the 1%, say yes & accept it, move in and make it his home. Thats a new one on me. In these community groups you are enmeshing your entire life into the church. We have ministry partners with boots on the ground, helping to love and serve others by meeting their immediate physical and spiritual needs. I am a former Watermark member. Aside from the fact that it was gifted to him (alarming at the very least) it shows poor stewardship and lack of humility on Wagners part. There is another Todd Wagner in Dallas he is an entrapenuer Its not Wagner the pastor. I have NEVER been asked to, let alone forced, to disclose financial information. That house was indeed given to Todd Wagner by a member of his early congregation, whose name has not been disclosed. I have however heard Todd Wagner say from the pulpit if youre not comfortable giving here thats ok, please give somewhere meaningful to you. Sure, lets not address anything that is rumored to be strange about Watermark and say that Jesus sounded cultish. . We don't remove someone's formal status as a member for struggling with sin - whether that sin is pride, materialism, or sexual sin. If a member doesnt leave in good standing, WM will pursue that person and enforce church discipline. Our Staff Team serves, equips, and deploys the saints to live on-mission for the glory of our King. what is lavish? A church membership contract errr. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account. And in Ecclesiastes 12:14, For God will bring every deedRead more , I would be curious to know if you are ok with disclosing all of your financial information to your community group and seeking their approval on life decisions? a lavish lifestyle is contrary to everything Jesus stood for if Jesus still matters, and if anyone actually remembers. File photo of fans at a Dallas Stars . You CANNOT, however, attempt to withdraw membership to avoid church discipline. Again from the Watermark Church document: 1.Voluntary termination of Membership is available to any Member in good standing upon written request of that Member. No its not. Its a really bad idea in my opinion because its not being totally forthright with members about what the church actually teaches. The announcement was captured on video and posted online with a statement from the elders. Todd Wagner is a guy that would jump in a foxhole with me with the bullets are flying, and I for him. Came off as legalistic trolling. I agree, it is all relative, which was kind of my point. However, if you have any experience with these covenants or have heard stories of people who have dealt with a church where they signed one of these and there was a point of contention or disagreement, you know that these are LEGALLY binding agreements and can be used against you (re: current The Village Church lawsuit& the Karen Hinkley story.). As the CG leader, I went first. Of course, God has a very different definition of success than we do. Does anyone find this highly hypocritical? The gift tax is only levied at the end of someones life when they exceed the gift tax exclusion in their lifetime (which is currently set at $11.7 million per individual). I have never met so many people using the term spiritual abuse asRead more , Concern, Who are you to judge!? That is only for the married folk. Even through this challenges we can be so judgements these day. If I thought I couldnt work with someone I wouldnt be turning around and working with them. Hes definitely not perfect, but he is a good and Godly man who preached the gospel boldly and consistently. that is, if we keep Jesus Christ as part of the equation, with an understanding that more is incumbent on leaders than on others. Just checking out the church and looking at the background info the house has tripled in value since the Wagners bought it 20 years ago hardly a 7 figure home when purchased. Watermark is very good at many things but also very bad at a few. Thats not true. Not Todds decision but good try on the poor stewardship bit. Still havent found a church I like since. He found my blog while researching the similarities between Scientology and Watermark Church. Thanks for giving up the last word. Cant even begin to address this without feeling a sense of disappointment. He confirmed Leventhals statement that the two are at peace and are in community together.. He began to consider that he was in a cult. * For What? Todd was put on sabbatical to reflect about his proud attitude. its raw observation on your part you arent being led at all. The Bible says in Hebrews 4:13, Nothing in all creation is hidden from Gods sight. But it still feels like something is off. Tim The information is on Watermark Churchs website: Voluntary Member Termination: Members who move from the local area, change churches, or no longer meet the requirements for active Membership may be removed from Watermark Membership.. Evangelical Church. The Asbury Revival Is Over. Let me rephrase: that the elder board was ready to go in Todds leadership direction. R.w. For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God., Wagner also warned the congregation with words from the passage, stating that after my departure savage wolves will come among you, and from your own selves men will (rise up), speaking perverse things. Then, modifying Pauls description of his three years spent in Ephesus to Wagners 22 years at Watermark, Wagner added, Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of 22 years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears., The congregation at Watermark responded to Wagner with a standing ovation. This case was filed in Dallas County Texas Courts, Dallas County Texas Courts At Law located in Dallas, Texas. He springs off of that definition into how true followers of Jesus might be considered a Jesus-cult and how is that a bad thing? Embattled Dallas megachurch Senior Pastor Todd Wagner has resigned from his position after accusations of spiritual abuse led elders to question his leadership of Watermark Community Church. What you need to know about Church Membership Covenants., The Aftermath: Stories from Former Watermark Church Members, The Aftermath Part II: Stories from Former Watermark Church Members, Family Ties: How Watermark Community Church is Alienating Families. Smarmy Thesaurus Im sorry Todd but Im praying for you and your family through this rough times. Is this standard really higher or is it just more specific? 25 years ago, I found myself getting angry atRead more , I was a WM member until I realized that if you fail their morality assessment and they decide you have a pride issue, not a desperate, destitute, homeless or depression issue.. Are you calling smarmy, insincere? Its all based on financial packages and NDAs now. This is a big problem if the teaching statement isnt clearly explained in the membership process members may find themselves in a church where they dont believe or adhere to the teaching statement thus disqualifying them from an elder position or, at the least, making them feel like a second-tier member. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Many won't perform gay marriage. No longer fulfill the requirements of membership. I dont have an extensive history with Wagner but several of my closest friends say that they saw this same controlling, egotistic behavior back in the 1990s when he came to Dallas to lead a high school group called K Life. Our church has an elder-type rule that is healthy, but I know of churches that have had an elder-type rule that is not so healthy. As a result, at least 19 diocese and religious orders have had to file for bankruptcy. I bet some of you, dont attend or are part of the church, Jealousy amongst many of you I can smell from here. Im confused about your statement that the crowd Jesus drew wanted to see him tortured to death in the most cruel way possible. There is forgiveness for a church also and I hope they are humbled one day so they can grow past some of there root issues. Our mission is to Love God, Love People, and Serve the World. like hes a programmed automaton. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. There are also a lot of factors that go into measuring ones wealth, not just the dollar value of ones house; and there are a lot of things that go into measuring ones character, other than how much money one has or the kind of house one lives in. Watermark's Church Contract There are 2 Todd Wagners in Dallas. Why is it that Im led to believe (Based on reports and personal experience) that one has to possess certain sociopathic traits in order to be a successful megachurch pastor? Izael, Thank you for your comment. Yet, Mickey Friedrich says: [dont] try and judge whose version of events is right or wrong, and that even Friedrich and Thompson land at a different place than (Leventhal and Wagner) regarding why weve arrived here.. Todd had 6 children living at home at the time he was gifted the home.. We know a number of people who attend Watermark due to our 10 year stay in dallas. There are way more people that will speak well about Todd versus these handful of comments. They have brought a civil lawsuit against the Church of Scientology for stalking and intimidation that occurred after they reported their assaults to the police. Just because you havent personally experienced or have personal knowledge of these things happening does NOT mean they didnt happen to someone else. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. They are full-blown corporate performance reviews, except about twice as long as any Ive filled out. Incorrect. You live by Elder-Rule, you die by Elder-Rule. Pastor Todd Wagner, abuse. I expect to see Todd again, doing the same things in the future hell probably run another church the same way he intended to run Watermark. You might want to check out this site 1 Pet 2:25 Wagner was tearful during his speech in the video Sunday. Those who love control and achievement thrive very well there. It is Not referenced as a legal tool which may be weaponized against anyone they desire to control or experiment on. Demands full disclosure of finances in church groups, but having a hard time finding his. You do make the near perfect member with your automated trust in leadership, over having an open mind to others sharing their personal experiences. They did create it. 4774 sq ft house. Outsourced: How Watermark Community Church Fails in Caring for Its Members, The Spin Cycle Watermark Community Church Members Unlikely to Ever Know the Truth Behind Resignations, Before You Sign: What You Need to Know About Membership Covenants, Making the Cut What Does It REALLY Take to Become a Member at Watermark Community Church, Dallas Megachurch Pastor Todd Wagner Resigns, Cites Pride as the Reason, https://www.watermark.org/about/governance, OUR COMMUNITY SERIES: Being Lonely in a Group of People | To Love, Honor and Vacuum, Leaders trying to drain members in order to live exorbitant lives. Under the veil of confession, it was all about him. He is a restorer and a life giver, even as we ALL come to him seeking forgiveness. Wagner is a bully. It is the Lord Jesus who is in control after all folks. Just because you have never been abused in the way these people have, does not negate that they were. No One Knows. This piece has been updated. Todd especially. We also get your email address to automatically create an account for you in our website. Shame on you folks. Every argument you put forth seems to be based on your subjective opinion based on your speculation, assumption, and judgement.. Watermark encourages people to confess their sins to one another and to admonish faithfully but thats because thats what the Bible tells us to do as believers.. Most people in the U.S. have a lavish lifestyle compared to most believers around the world. so what. And then they agree to work on the same board? In the video, an emotional Leventhal said that he had resigned on March 26 because of a loss of trust in Todds ability to lead in the role of pastoral elder/senior pastor, which was the direction the elders were wanting to move to.. Christian Church. Religious Organization. This podcast is a production of Watermark Community Church in Dallas, Texas, USA. He didnt even buy the house, it was gifted by a member years ago. In my next post Ill share another story from another former-Watermark member. Awaken Conference 2021. On 05/28/2008 THE STATE OF TEXAS filed a Property - Eminent Domain lawsuit against WATERMARK COMMUNITY CHURCH. Darren, heres what I see are the problems with Elder-Rule church government. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. It looks as if an elder finally stood up and refused to be silenced. Their countenances in the video departure statements appear to be quite different. Its a huge red flag to me about Todds character and understanding of God. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. Regardless Lords will be done Prov 16:9 The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps. the equity in a $million+ home can be invested to provide hot meals, warm beds, jobs, training, and more for years. I went through the Re:Engage program twice early in its development. Sort of as God told him and his wife that it was time to move on to the next thing God has planned. Todd Wagner, the embattled pastor of Watermark Church, a Dallas multisite megachurch with a pre-pandemic congregation of 20,000 people, has resigned his position as senior pastor and elder. Todd uses God to accomplish his goals ofRead more , We briefly visited WM; I quickly told my husband, this place is the cult of Todd and will implode without him. Thats not Todds fault, but no thanks. Fellowship Church. I was one of the cold ones! Prestonwood Baptist also made the list (top 20) and its nowhere near a cult. Thats for God to reveal or conceal.. One of His Disciples who signed a church membership contract?, Five Reasons to Say No to a Church Covenant The building and nine acres of land located in an area of Dallas that has a predominant minority population were purchased by the evangelical church for $211,000, according to a government document. We did one a week, so this stretch over several weeks. I admit I also used to automatically discredit stories Like this one when I heard them. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? So in summary, Watermark isnt a cult because they follow Jesus better than anyone, are more radical about it than anyone else, and if thats what a cult is, oh well, I guess were a Jesus cult! 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(I share this not to be super-negative, but just because this practice is far [], CALL TO ACTION Former WM Members Did WM pray for you, or did WM prey on you? There is a filthy rich entrepreneur whose name is Todd Wagner. At least that was my experienceRead more , The house referenced in the post belongs to the correct Todd Wagner. TODD WAGNER SURELY LED ALOT OF PEOPLE TO CHRIST. While God does allow humans to have free will, His greatest gift to every human is salvation and eternal life, through believing that He sent His son as a sacrifice for our sins. even so, i think its patently obvious that living as the 1% by 1st world standards, even in part, is lavish by any and all standards. He was then the most arrogant and disrespectful person imaginable. That is one huge cult. Regardless I loved your passion and pray that Holy Spirit would cover you and lead you in the area that needs correction. Todd raised 6 kids there and has never take a big salary. Wagner should have sold the home and elected to live a less extravagant neighborhood (Highland Park). Im also a bit a sad with respond of David (elder) who is in the leadership role to show the love with staring at the congregation (may be because of challenges). As you should be. Which by the way, most of north Dallas (including Lake Highlands) has experienced the same level of appreciation. Speculation, in this context, equates to gossip, and at its heart, is pride. I was informed that this was a gift from a wealthy individual who has known Todd a long time and does not attend Watermark. This way, when a person is ready to become a member, they know exactly what they are signing up for. It is an interesting discussion. Case Summary. If youre short on time, start at 27 minutes when the speakers starts explaining why people think Watermark is a cult. Ashley Ruiz alleges in a lawsuit that a member of the International Churches of Christ sexually molested her when she was . If you dont want to share your story you dont have to. When he stepped into an executive pastor role a few years back he didnt like that his replacement (JP) was more poly than he was so he didnt allow him to pastor/lead. Andrew Bhatia Our daughters went to the same grade school and were on the same soccer team. i dont believe a word he says. If by community you mean meeting with like-minded individuals to foster friendships & develop relationships then great. I am so tired of the evangelical industrial complex justifying there greed and sexual abuse and bullying. This gives freedom to members who may still be working through some of their beliefs while also holding the elders to a higher standard. Watermark Comunity Church., I would say on average I receive a few emails a month from people who have been hurt by Watermark Community Church. Im thankful you have experienced the controlling, entrapment, and triangulating side of WM. While he was pastor at another church in Dallas he followed this same doctrine of sin and follower of Jesus Christ. Im saying that outta love and also saying it truly saddens me to see many of you have hardened your hearts. Even now, her parents (who worship there) refuse to talk to her or visit her children, simply because she was dutiful enough to report on the pedophile acts of a man who used to work at Prestonwood. Kind of smarmy too. seems to me median, or less, is reasonable (relative to the community where the church exists). Todd gave me support and comfort during a rough time in my life, and I will be FOREVER grateful. Maybe because I have not had a negative experience with elder rule I do not see it as a problem. i watched the video dont know how i got as far as i did i had to turn it off. How many have you all lead to Christ? 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